Next to Nowhere, Social Centre, adjacent to News from Nowhere, 96 Bold Street, Liverpool, L1 4HY.
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Paul McCartney backs 'Meat Free Monday' to cut carbon emissions
Posted 21/06/2009
Sir Paul McCartney has followed in the footsteps of the world's leading climate scientist and a small Belgian town by calling on people to go meat-free one day a week and cut carbon emissions.
Backed by celebrities ranging from Chris Martin to Sheryl Crow, McCartney today launched his Meat Free Monday campaign asking households to cut out meat on Mondays and slow global warming.
"I think many of us feel helpless in the face of environmental challenges, and it can be hard to know how to sort through the advice about what we can do to make a meaningful contribution to a cleaner, more sustainable, healthier world," said McCartney. "Having one designated meat free day a week is actually a meaningful change that everyone can make, that goes to the heart of several important political, environmental and ethical issues all at once."
Reducing meat consumption didn't just slow climate change, he said, but would help to fight global hunger and improve the welfare of animals.
Last year the world's leading authority on climate change, Dr Rajendra Pachauri, told the Observer that going meat-free once a week was the "most attractive" way for individuals to reduce emissions. Earlier this year The Guardian revealed that hospitals in the NHS were taking meat off menus as part of a strategy to cut greenhouse gas emissions, while just last month the Belgian town of Ghent announced plans to make every Thursday a meat-free day.
The links between meat and climate change have been well-known for several years. A UN study in 2006 showed that the livestock industry was responsible for a staggering 18% of man's global greenhouse gas emissions, partly because of deforestation in the Amazon.
McCartney's meat-free mission will be supported by several high-profile chefs, including Giorgio Locatelli and Yotam Ottolenghi, who have created vegetarian recipes for the campaign's website. Linda McCartney Foods is also promoting the message, while Oliver Peyton and other restaurant owners will be highlighting meat-free dishes. The ongoing campaign hopes in future to measure the number of people switching to meat-free Mondays and reducing CO2 emissions.
McCartney's move follows last week's government reshuffle that now sees two vegetarians, Jim Fitzpatrick and Hilary Benn, holding the two most senior positions at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs.
Global Boycott Procter & Gamble Day XIII
Posted 10/05/09
Please unite with fellow activists for the thirteenth Global Boycott P&G Day on Saturday 16th May 2009 to expose the callous animal testing practices of the world’s largest consumer goods corporation, and makers of Herbal Essences.
With your help, we can give millions of consumers the information they need to vote with their purses and help save innocent animals from deadly poisoning tests. If we want to protect animals, it’s vital to empower consumers to pressure companies like P&G directly.
Hurtful Essences
This year, in order to ramp up the effectiveness of this day of action, Uncaged are encouraging our fellow campaigners to focus on one of P&G’s most infamous brands - ‘Herbal Essences’. We launched the boycott of Herbal Essences (a P&G hair care brand) in July 2008 when we revealed that P&G scientists had poisoned and killed over a thousand animals and their babies in a gratuitous test for a chemical ingredient (butylparaben) already in use by humans for decades.
Targeting this recognised brand name has made a significant difference to the success of the campaign. Interestingly, narrowing the focus actually makes it easier for many more people to make the first step to compassionate enlightenment as they begin to discover the true horror of the whole animal testing industry.
What You Need To Do
Please get involved by organising or helping with a Boycott P&G event in your area. For ideas, you can check out more photos and reports from last year’s Day here and here. Click here for a downloadable in-depth guide to participating in Global Boycott P&G Day.
Actions can include protests, stunts, street theatre, stalls and leafleting in town centres and at supermarkets/personal care stores (e.g. Boots). You can also help by organising protests at P&G sites, or displays and information events at your college, library, health-food shop, or workplace, and/or by firing off letters to all your regional media and online forums.
Last year’s Day was the biggest ever with over 250 different actions across the world. Let’s make the 2009 event even bigger and bring renewed hope for those animals at risk from abuse at the hands of P&G and other animal testers. Remember, without YOU, animals are defenceless and vulnerable to the brutality of P&G.
Merseyside Animal Rights will be in Bold Street in Liverpool on Saturday 16th May to support the thirteenth Global Boycott P&G Day.
For more information please visit Uncaged
Animal rights campaigners have won a three-year battle to secure a ban on the sale of seal products in Europe.
Posted 10/05/09
Euro MPs today voted 550-49 in favour of the embargo, which will affect hunters in Canada and Norway who clubbed at least 215,000 seal pups to death last year. The ban will not only apply to clothing made from seals, like fur coats and kilt sporrans, but also other products derived from the mammal and turned into oil and even omega 3 pills.
'This law is a victory for people power and a credit to the campaigners involved,' said Labour MEP Arlene McCarthy. More than 400 MEPs launched a seal ban campaign in 2006 after growing complaints from the public. It excludes the small trade in seal products which indigenous people living in the Arctic rely on.
Nicki Brooks, director of Respect for Animals, said: 'This is a truly fantastic day for the seals. This ban will save the lives of millions.' The vote is not expected to affect Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper's trip to Prague today, where he hopes to discuss strengthening trade with the EU. Canadian fisheries minister Gail Shea said: 'The decision by the European Parliament lacks any basis in facts. It will have a devastating impact on thousands of Canadian families who rely on the seal hunt for part of their
Lush to support Meat Free Month
Posted 10/03/09
During March, Lush – the high street cosmetic company - will be promoting Animal Aid’s Meat-Free Month initiative (which is entirely vegan) in their stores. Animal Aid’s new ‘Meat-Free! Feed four for under a fiver’ recipe booklet - which reveals the hidden costs of meat (human health, the environment and of course animal welfare) and provides seven simple recipes, with contributions by Rose Elliot, – will be available in Lush stores nationwide, in addition to other resources.
With the global economic crisis hitting many family budgets, there’s now, more than ever, a need to consider seriously the cost of the food we eat. Ethics also increasingly play a role in our food choices. Whether it’s food miles or animal welfare, most of us would like to be able to shop with a clear conscience. But the idea has taken root that ethical shopping is an expensive luxury. In fact, it is meat – one of the least ethical options – that has always been a luxury and one that we can no longer afford.
Not only can a meat-based diet cost more per meal than one without meat but it also has hidden costs – paid for by our taxes, the planet and our long-term health.
We must now question both the role of animals in our diets and challenge the lobbying power of the meat and dairy industries.
For more information on Meat Free Month Click Here
Pig Business to be screened March 31st (More 4)
Posted 08/02/09
Compassion in World Farming (CIWF) have supplied undercover footage and expert advice for three TV programmes scheduled to air on Channel 4 and More 4 this this year. Their involvement in these programmes will reveal the shocking reality of factory farming to millions of viewers.
Coming up on 31st March is a film by Tracey Worcester Pig Business. Here is an excerpt from her website:
By exposing the huge hidden costs behind the pork on our supermarket shelves, I hope viewers/consumers will use their buying power to help create a more compassionate world.
This film shows the pork industry as just one example of the corporate take over that affects every sector of our economy. Factory farmed pork is only cheap because the corporate producer has externalised the true costs onto the broader community. Locals suffer from the polluted water and air but we are all affected when the power wielded by big business destroys democracy and crushes free speech by intimidation.
By avoiding pork from corporations and investing that money in human scale production, we are revitalising small farms and their farm shops, farmers markets and local butchers. If shopping in the supermarket we must seek out labels that indicate British and outside bred and reared or free range on straw bedding.
The message is also to press politicians who protect our farmers against comparatively cheap pork imports so that UK pig farmers are not forced into a down ward spiral of ever poorer animal welfare standards and pollution to compete. Legislation for better food labelling legislation for accuracy and legibility is essential.
Once UK farmers are protected from cheap imports, consumers can help farmers raise standards and factory farms will become uneconomic.
All of the issues in the film from animal cruelty to human rights are being confronted by a plethora of campaigners all over the world. However, if we simply treat symptoms of breakdown as individual problems we are shifting chairs on the titanic.
I hope this film will show how the root cause of disparate problems is the centralisation of power into the hands of giant banks and corporations. Until we reclaim power back to the community and nation state ie our democracy, we are enslaved.
Disempowered, we watch while everything we hold dear is stolen and our planet plundered. Exponential economic growth means more for a few at the expense of many. Support local production for local consumption to reclaim our world from the corporate stranglehold.
I have made a feature documentary called PIGS! that investigates the operations of the multinational company, Smithfield Foods of American, the largest pig producer and processor in the world. It reveals the dark under belly of the food industry – the impact on those who work in it, those who live near it, those who eat the pork and the impact on the animals themselves. But it also tells the story of what is happening in the Eastern Europe following the collapse of communism, as EU tax payers fund multinational companies to take over the old state owned industries. It is a film which will strike a chord with supermarket shoppers in America and Europe. The brilliant lawyer, writer (best seller Crimes Against Nature) and founder of Waterkeepers Alliance, Robert F Kennedy Jnr, and I are the main protagonists in the film.
Pig Business will be televised on More 4 True Stories, 31st March 2009.
Make sure you watch it and tell all your friends to do so!
Animals Count
Posted 08/02/09
Animal protection is an issue dear to millions and one on which MP’s receive more mail than on any other. Yet, animals are poorly protected by the government. Animals Count's vision is a world in which animals are not exploited and are seen and treated as sentient beings.
Our mission is to establish a voice for the animals through a dedicated political party, which focuses on respect and compassion for all living beings.
Our constitution is based on the ethics of respect for life. Just like human beings, non-human animals have an interest in being alive and experiencing positive mental states, and an interest in avoiding suffering, illness and death. As ethical human beings we have an obligation to respect and protect their interests. Doing so leads to a more compassionate and healthier society, which benefits humans too.
Animals Count aims to take animal issues to the top of the political agenda and to raise the bar. We do this by setting the best policies for animals, encouraging existing political parties to become more animal friendly, and contesting local and European elections.
Animals Count is active in England, Wales and Scotland. Leader Jasmijn de Boo (who contested the May 2008 London Assembly Elections) was an active member of the highly successful Dutch Political 'Party for the Animals', which gained two seats in the general election in November 2006, nine seats in the Provincial elections.
For more information please visit animalscount
World Day for Laboratory Animals
Posted 18/01/09
On Saturday 25 April this year we are organising a march in London to mark World Day for Laboratory Animals. This is just one day after the official date of 24 April, a UN recognised day to remember animals who suffer and die in laboratories all over the world.
The route of the march has yet to be finalised, we are in discussions with the local authorities and police about the route, meeting places etc, and we will be able to confirm the arrangements soon.
This is the first time for over 15 years that the anti-vivisection movement has held a march in London to mark World Day for Laboratory Animals. When the marches were held regularly in London in the 1980’s and 90’s, they often attracted crowds of 5,000 and 10,000, sometimes more.
It is now over 10 years since New Labour was voted into government, having said beforehand they were committed to "a reduction and an eventual end to animal experiments” . Any hopes that New Labour would carry out their promises were soon dashed as the government came under the influence of the pharmaceutical and biotechnology sectors. Indeed for the past 3 years the number of animal experiments in the UK has been rising for the first time since the 1970's. By organising this march, we hope to revive the spirit of those earlier marches, to unite and revitalise the anti-vivisection movement, attract new campaigners and generate new ideas for the future.
We are still planning the march and other events for 25 April, but please keep the day free and start planning transport now. There will be a coach leaving from Liverpool. To book call 0151 293 2009 or email kj001f8644@blueyonder.co.uk
If you only want to do one demo this year please make it this one!
The animals have no one but YOU so don't let them down! See you in London in April!
World Day Organising Group
Barclays Protest in Liverpool
Posted 18/01/09
Activists today congregated outside Barclays Bank on Lord Street, Liverpool Town Centre to inform the public about their shares in animal cruelty. About 15 people held banners, gave out leaflets and chatted to shocked public outside the branch. A stall was also set up with a petition which the passers by queued to sign!
The demo was a great success and many Barclays customers said they would complain to the bank. After all it is the customers money that has been invested in such appalling cruelty! Two people said they wanted to close their accounts following the news and one person was going to open a Barclays account but is now taking their business elsewhere! So Barclays, apart from the fact that investing in cruelty is wrong and will never be justified, at such a difficult financial time HLS are not good for business. Time to sell your blood-money shares Barclays!
Irish author launches new book on anti-hare coursing
Posted 18/01/09
In Ireland the 'humble hare' has been the subject of great controversy. After years of an abusive sport, which resulted in its child-like death screams being heard regularly throughout Ireland, a result was achieved.
For those few dedicated people trying desperately to save the gentle creature from the horrors of the cruel sport of hare coursing, the struggle was painful and fought against great odds. The author writes about one of the 'world's most barbaric blood sports' continuing during a deadly period for the hares, the 1980s.
His own peaceful and non-violent action and that of, initially, a few others' did arouse the public and achieve what at first appeared to be a hard-won benefit to the hare.
But the hare's troubles were – and are – far from over. Though it can no longer be torn apart by greyhounds, now muzzled, it can still be mauled, injured, and tossed about like a rag doll on the coursing field.
In addition to highlighting the hare's sad plight, this is also a campaigner's story. The author recounts vividly the ups and downs of his own fight against cruelty. He paid a major price in suffering as a result of being persecuted for his beliefs.
The gentle hare, apart from its use and abuse in coursing, has now become an endangered species in Ireland, and this book reinforces its right to be protected.
Read a review of Bad Hare Days
Reindeer Run 2008
Posted 13/01/09
Thank you to everyone who came along to the Reindeer Run on Saturday 6th December. The event was a huge success and went better than we could ever have hoped – the weather was certainly kind to us and the sun even came out to see what was going on! As ever many took the opportunity to dress up in reindeer costume to run the 5k route to raise money for local animal charities.
The atmosphere at the finish was fantastic and it was a real pleasure to see so many smiling faces - I hope you all had as much fun as we did and thoroughly enjoyed yourselves.
Thank you also for all your kind comments and words of appreciation - we are already looking forward to holding the event again next year.
Liverpool Vegan Christmas Fayre 2008
Posted 13/01/09
The fifth annual Liverpool Vegan Fayre proved to be the biggest yet with over 400 people attending the event at The Old Police Station, Lark Lane. We were inundated with requests for vegan recipes after people had sampled the delicious food which was on offer and despite the credit crunch we were heartened to receive many donations for local animal charities.
Various stalls, two raffles and a Christmas draw, not to mention a mouth-watering selection of home made cakes and other refreshments all contributed towards a massive £300 raised.
We couldn't have hoped for a better turnout and to have made so much money was great and much more than we imagined. Thanks to everyone who supported us and helped on the day.
Liverpool Vegan Christmas Fayre celebrates its 5th Birthday
The Liverpool Vegan Christmas Fayre is like no other. Now in its FIFTH YEAR, we’ll be bringing a huge range of cruelty-free items on offer which means that you can do all your Christmas shopping in one place; and banish your hunger with our delicious vegan food.
But the big plus - apart from the relaxed and friendly atmosphere - is that your money goes directly to local animal charities, campaign groups and ethical traders who are trying to make a positive difference in the world.
Goods on sale include fair-trade crafts and jewellery, cruelty-free cosmetics, recycled goods, environmentally friendly clothing and seasonal cards and gifts. And you can be sure that none of the wonderful items on sale has been tested on animals, or includes animal ingredients.
On the day you can also take part in the annual Reindeer Run when Sefton Park will reverberate to the sound of hooves as participants aim to raise money for local animal charities.
You can choose whether to run or walk the 5k route but there will be well-deserved mince pies and mulled wine on hand for all entrants after the race back at the Old Police Station. What's more, there will also be prizes for the best fancy dress. For those wishing to take part in the run please contact 0151 428 9204 or email reindeer.run@googlemail.com for a sponsorship form.
The Liverpool Vegan Christmas Fayre is a FREE fun day out for all the family, with a clear conscience.
The Fayre will take place on Saturday 6th December, 11:00am to 4:00pm at The Old Police Station, Lark Lane, Aigburth Liverpool. Click here for map.
Fur Free Liverpool score a direct hit at the Cricket Fashion Show
Posted 25/10/08
Members of Fur Free Liverpool held a very successful protest on Thursday 23rd October at The Cricket Fashion Show 2008 which was staged at Grey Space, West Africa House, in Water Street. The Cricket store has been at the centre of an ongoing campaign since 2006 as it sells the fur of fox, coyote, raccoon, rabbit and mink.
Coleen Rooney, Alex Curran, Nicola Carragher and Sheree Murphy were given the red card by over 30 protestors for continuing to shop at the disgraced store and were asked by campaigners if they could influence store owners to stop their vile trade in animal skins. The protest this week has been covered nationally and has featured in the Daily Mirror, Daily Mail as well as Now Magazine.
A spokesperson for Fur Free Liverpool said: “For every piece of fur trim, animals in the wild are trapped, drowned or beaten to death. On fur farms, they are gassed to death, have their necks broken or are anally or vaginally electrocuted. Sometimes animals are even skinned alive.
This was not a protest against those who were invited to the show. In fact many who attended, such as members of the Hollyoaks cast, chatted with us outside and offered their support to what we are trying to do. This was a protest against the store’s continued selling of fur items and we once more urge them to keep compassion in fashion by issuing a fur free policy.”
Anyone who would like more information please visit the Fur Free Liverpool Website.
Harrods opening a gig too fur for Leona Lewis
Posted 19/10/08
Those who believe that winners of The X Factor are mere pop puppets haven’t reckoned with Leona Lewis. The chart-topping singer turned down a £1 million offer from Mohamed Al Fayed after sticking to her vegetarian principles.
Mr Fayed appealed to Ms Lewis to open the last Harrods sale, we understand. It’s a lucrative gig for celebrities, involving an open-top ride around Knightsbridge guaranteeing acres of free publicity – and artists don’t even have to sing.
But the former Hackney receptionist, 23, who has sold five million records, rejected the offer because Harrods continues to sell fur products, which she opposes.
Lewis, recently voted the “world’s sexiest vegetarian”, said: “I’m totally against animal cruelty. I don’t have clothes, shoes or bags made from any animal products.” Harrods, which last month received a protest from 400 antifur campaigners, declined to comment.
Meanwhile, Lewis is in talks with Sir Philip Green about creating a range of non-leather bags and shoes for Topshop: a challenger, possibly, to the ethical-designer crown held by Stella McCartney
They are what you eat - Julie Christie on a film which changed perceptions
Posted 29/09/08
Twenty-five years after it first shocked British TV audiences, The Animals Film, a documentary narrated by Academy Award winner Julie Christie that explores our relationship with and exploitation of animals, is now available for the first time on DVD!
The first release of The Animals Film received worldwide critical acclaim for its no-holds-barred review of the way animals are used and abused around the world. The 25th anniversary release includes a new and energizing conclusion that you won't want to miss! Julie Christie recalls her memories of the film and its wider impact on peoples perceptions of animal abuse.
I am often asked if I have ever been in a film that I believe changed people's lives. Away From Her did, maybe - but the one I am sure about is The Animals Film, which I narrated for its director, Victor Schonfeld, more than 25 years ago, and which revealed on film for the first time all the different ways in which we abuse animals.
It's hard to quantify the impact the film had at the time. The late Alan Brien, in his review in the Sunday Times, wrote: "I do not know when I have come out of a screening so moved by the power of the cinema as a medium to transform the entire sensibility of an audience." It was applauded when it was shown at the London film festival, and Channel 4 outbid the BBC to have it shown in its first week of broadcasting. Since then, it has been shown around the world, sometimes leading to changes in law. Many people who watched it became vegetarian. Many more, myself included, completely changed their consuming habits, according to whether their purchases involved animal testing or not.
Because the message of the film was so powerful, there is a tendency to forget the film-making skill it involved. Victor realised that you could not present unmitigated horror for two hours, so he interspersed the remarkable exposés of factory farming and animal experimentation with cartoons and vox pops, while Robert Wyatt and David Byrne lent their wonderful music to it. Twenty-five years later, it stands up as a major documentary, in the tradition of films such as Harlan County USA, the 1977 documentary directed by Barbara Kopple about the plight of American miners. Victor's film really was a breakthrough for this kind of documentary-making. Like the best documentaries - like the best films of any kind - it was illuminating.
But what long-term effect did the film have? Since it was made, some things have changed in Britain, through campaign pressure, public opinion, education and legislation. Many of these changes stem, I am sure, from the film's exposure of the extent to which animal cruelty is involved in all aspects of our lives. For instance, in the early 1980s when the film was made, you would have been lucky to lay your hands on free-range eggs or meat; and never, ever would you have imagined that, owing to public demand, supermarkets would stock humanely reared dairy products. The cruelty-free movement has grown to such an extent, and its lobbying become so effective, that the testing of cosmetic products on animals is now banned in the UK - a big step forward.
However, horrific animal cruelty is still part of the foundation on which we build our comfortable lives in the west, and will be so as long as we continue to demand massive quantities of cheap meat. Only through factory farming can this craving be satisfied, and the issue has tended to slip from view since the film was made. Thank goodness for the emergence of a new kind of animal-rights campaigning - personality- and television-driven, to suit our times - exemplified by the efforts of people such as Jamie Oliver and Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall. People are again being reminded that the chicken we eat is not actually born on a polystyrene tray wrapped in clingfilm. As with everything, education is the key - we learned about Corn Belts and Rice Bowls at school, but never how the animals we eat reach our plates. It suits the agricultural industries to keep us ignorant, and as long as corporations pursue profit at any cost and human beings refuse to recognise the sensibilities of all species, we have a very, very long way to go. Victor's film reminds us of the journey made so far - and encourages us to continue on it.
The Animals Film is released on DVD on September 29 - Click here to buy
The Guardian 26/09/08
Vegan Fayre 13th September - Celebrating Raw Food
Posted 25/08/08
Our next Vegan Food Fayre will take place on Saturday 13 September. It will be held in the Liverpool Social Centre 'Next to Nowhere' (Bold St Liverpool, next to News from Nowhere bookshop), starting at 12pm and finish at 4pm. This particular free event will be promoting the benefits of raw food, allowing you to sample such wonderful things as, raw soup, sushi, dips, desserts, cheese, and bread. We will also be holding a raffle, giving you the opportunity to win lots of delicious raw ingredients for your kitchen.
This event is being sponsored by the following companies. Please take time to visit their websites.
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Matta's International Foods
51 Bold St. Liverpool
Anti cruelty campaigners protest Cameron's support for fox hunting
Posted 17/08/08
Animal Right's protesters were very direct when David Cameron came to Wirral yesterday.on his 'Cameron Direct' tour, He is touring the North of England in his plight for the northern vote A number of protesters, both local and from the wider area showed up to show their displeasure at Cameron's unethical pastime. Cameron has stated that 'there is nothing in his life so exciting to him than chasing wild animals and killing them' and has pledged to his hunting pals that he will repeal the hunting act should he gain power. 76% of the British public are against fox hunting because of the immense suffering caused to the animals in the name of sport. David Cameron plans to go against public opinion and allow these violent thugs to go back to their brutal pastimes. One of the protesters was inside the venue and actually was able to pose a question to Cameron about this unethical fun of his, much to his embarrassment, at the end she then walked throughout the hall with an anti hunt banner and wearing an anti blood sports T shirt. The protesters are urging people not to vote for Cameron as a vote for him is a vote for animal abuse.
Here is the transcript of David Cameron being questioned on the issue of hunting:
Questioner : In view of your talk about a civilised society a few minutes ago, how do you reconcile your barbaric hunting activities with this civilised society and also with your determination to bring back this barbaric sport?
Cameron : Well thank you very much for the question. I think in a civilised society we have to respect each others' views and we have to respect people's right to take part in a pastime that has gone on for centuries in our country, and that's why I happen to think that the hunting act was wrong. I think we were trying to regulate and criminalise something which shouldn't be a criminal activity; now that's my view. I'm a member of parliament that's how I voted. Other members of parliament voted in a different way and so we've got this slightly peculiar hunting act that doesn't seem to hav stopped people hunting but is a massive distraction of police time as they all run around trying to work out what is going on. I think that's a waste of police time. If there is a new parliament with another bunch of MPs in I think we should have another vote and if parliament vote to get rid of the hunting act then I think that's what should happen. Personally, I would vote to get rid of the hunting act because I think that the police have got more important things to do. And I think we have to respect... I think it is very dangerous in a country if majorities start telling minorities exactly what they have to do and how they have to behave. I would defend to the death your right to passionately disagree with me, and I think that the idea that people disapproved of hunting – absolutely fine, but trying to criminalise something which I think the proof of the law- the law shows how difficult it is to criminalise something like hunting look what a mess they've made of it even after 400 hours of debate or whatever it was and franklyaren't there more important things for parliament to discuss?
(idiots clapping)
Very quickly because we've got so many things to get through
Questioner : The fact that something is legal doesn't make it right. There are a lot of things in history that were very wrong. This is a barbaric act that you're a part of – your hunt has been prosecuted for illegal hunting. Yes the hunting act has flaws, but it is ultimately right. You can do what you like in a civilised society but you don't abuse vulnerable animals
Cameron : Of course... let me just take that one quickly.. of course it was right to ban bear baiting or badger baiting... entirely pointless.... I don't agree, the fox population has to (hang on, you've had your go, let me have mine) The fox population has to be controlled. More foxes are now being shot and gassed, and frankly run over on our roads. Has that improved animal welfare? I don't believe it has, but that is the argument we can have, we should have it in parliament rather than having demonstrations on the street and all the rest of it.